CO ‘personhood’ measure fails

By: Associated Press Email
By: Associated Press Email

DENVER (AP) -- The nation's only pending ballot measure to ban abortion in all circumstances has failed in Colorado, the only place voters were expected to consider a divisive "personhood" measure.

Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler announced Wednesday that backers of the "personhood" amendment fell about 3,900 valid signatures short of the some 86,000 needed.

Abortion foes succeeded twice before getting the proposal on Colorado ballots. Both were overwhelmingly defeated.

The abortion foes are vowing to challenge the rejection of some of this year's signatures in court. Supporters of abortion rights say the difficulty getting signatures this year in Colorado underscores the measure's unpopularity.

The "personhood" proposal would also ban embryonic stem-cell research and some fertility treatments.

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  • by me on Sep 1, 2012 at 07:52 PM
    Condoms, pills, birth control shots, tubes tied, guys getting fixed. There are ways. have read all your comments. If a woman is raped and gets pregnant or if it threatens her life it is a way different story then two people hooking up and not stopping to get a condom on the way. BTW. I was one of those that didnt stop to get a condom on the way and you know what? I dealed and now have to beautiful children. If your man or woman enough to do the deed than you should be man enough or woman enough to deal with the outcome. Thats a choice you made and should be willing to deal with. All this BS and political talk is just dumb. Im 38 and when my my gf at the time preganant when I was 19 I stood up ant took the high road and dealt with life and learned. Didnt get to go party and play. Abortion never came to mind. Now 19 years later I have to beautiful kids and have a great life. A womens body is her choice, yes I agree. But if that woman gives herself to a man and gets preganat, deal. Be a parent!! Dont take a easy way out so you can make a better life for your future kids!! You chose to have sex and got pregnant. And its just not you! Its the man that helped get you pregnant. Men do have to take responsibility in way of financial terms or they lose their license or go to jail. The real men and women step up and take responsibility for their actions and what comes from them.
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      by Anonymous on Sep 2, 2012 at 09:34 AM in reply to me
      You have no way of knowing what your life would be if you postponed realizing your biological function and got a degree and career instead of working pedestrian jobs to feed your young family. The alternatives to this scenario are neglecting kids or hooking them on your parents. Abortion is not a birth control, but it should be readily available as the last resort. Pro birth people do not realize how they're destroying other people's life with their religious dogmas.
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      by Anonymous on Sep 2, 2012 at 11:37 AM in reply to me
      Why is it that pro abortion people always assume that "religion" is why many people are opposed to infantcide? I am opposed for a lot of reasons and not one of them has to do with "religion".
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        by Scott on Sep 2, 2012 at 02:52 PM in reply to
        Because the vast majority of pro-lifers are so for religious reasons. Its not always the case, but its usually a safe bet.
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          by Anonymous on Sep 2, 2012 at 07:35 PM in reply to Scott
          Pro-birth, not so much pro-life. Once unwanted kids are born there's no interest on their part to feed/educate them. Anything beyond birth is just called spirit of dependency.
  • by puzzled on Aug 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM
    still no one is saying what is to be done with all of those babies these unwanted pregnancies will produce. ban abortion but you better dang well have a planned to adopt all those unwanted babies out or you will be filling the streets with UNWANTED CHILDREN instead.
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      by Anonymous on Aug 31, 2012 at 04:47 PM in reply to puzzled
      All 53 Millions of them unwanted kids growing in single parent low income families without any hope at success while same people who insisted on them being born trying hard to cut any government support and kill education programs. What a dream...
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        by Anonymous on Sep 2, 2012 at 11:42 AM in reply to
        You have no clue who is getting abortions. This is a tired old argument in todays world. Of course there are single, low income women getting abortions. But that is a rude generalization. Most young parents are just starting their lives. Few women who have children are high income women. But most still make wonderfully successful Mothers. It is sad that people still have this archaic view of the abortion debate.
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          by Anonymous on Sep 2, 2012 at 07:38 PM in reply to
          Bears are wonderfully successful mothers. With highly developed brains human females deserve the chance at success beyond their biological function.
  • by Anonymous on Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10 AM
    In it's core it's a debate about the freedom from religion. Too bad there's no new continent where we sail from this.
  • by You Are Cold on Aug 30, 2012 at 06:38 PM
    To "SJ"! Well of course lets kill unborn children because you are a pathetic loser! And you obviously know little about Roe (not Row) vs Wade. In 1973 the Supreme Court never intended for their ruling to be interpreted to be form of birth control. They never fathomed that their effort to protect a few woman from back street abortions would result in over 53 million aborted fetuses. The justices who served on that Supreme Court have all regretted that their landmark decision was so grossly abused. And news flash even "Roe" (a fictitious name) has come out against the results of the ruling in her favor. A woman has dozens of choices to protect her from an unwanted pregnancy. It is a shame in a so called civilized society that we value a woman's poor choice to kill an unborn child more than the life of an unborn child. I find it difficult to believe that such a "progressive" group cannot be more civilized and find less uncivilized solutions to unwanted pregnancy. What does it say about us when we stick out our chests and beat drums proclaiming a "woman's choice" and crudely devalue unborn life? It is 2012 and the best way we can protect a "woman's choice" is to deny life? Please tell me there is another way? Please tell me that women do not really want to protect one of many viable choices by indiscriminately ending a unborn child's life? Is that the best we can do? There are not other CHOICES? If only we were so high and mighty about the rights of an unborn child as we are about a woman who finds a pregnancy inconvenient.
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      by SAM on Aug 30, 2012 at 07:59 PM in reply to You Are Cold
      Where is the accountability of all of those men that fathered those pregnancies? Those millions of women did not get themselves pregnant. If 53 million men would have taken the necessary responsibility for contraception, there wouldn't be an issue with abortions.
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        by Anonymous on Aug 30, 2012 at 08:25 PM in reply to SAM
        Your response sounds reasonable on the surface. What civilized population can support millions of men who do not take responsibility for their actions. But your response is disingenuous. Of the 53 million abortions over 30% are "repeat" abortions. In some cases as many as 6 abortions to one woman. And you are to insinuate that it is the men fault? Also millions of men who impregnate a woman is never given a "choice". The "choice" to abort an unborn child is the woman's alone. And again I ask is this the only choice in a country of such technology and "progressive" ideologies? Please tell me you have a more civilized "choice". In a world that seemingly knows no limit in what can be done we cannot find another "choice" beyond aborting millions of unborn children??? I find it hard to believe that we will fight so hard to preserve a woman's choice but turn our backs on those who have no "choice". A so called civilized society that places such little value on life and so much value on a "choice".
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          by SAM on Aug 31, 2012 at 06:17 AM in reply to
          What part of, "it takes two to tango do you not understand"? It does not matter how many times a woman has an abortion, it still took a man for her to get pregnant. You can't be serious with, millions of men are not given a choice, they had the choice to not get a woman pregnant or to do nothing and get her pregnant, their "choice" is to let the woman deal with pregnancy while they make other choices. It also takes both females and males to constitute a "civilized society".
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          by Anonymous on Aug 31, 2012 at 12:22 PM in reply to
          You obviously did not read my post. I am not entirely sure who you are responding to but it is obvious that you are not interested in a constructive dialogue. So good bye!
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          by Anonymous on Aug 31, 2012 at 12:23 PM in reply to
          Sam you obviously did not read my post. I am not entirely sure who you are responding to? But it is apparent you are not interested in a constructive dialogue. So good bye and good luck.
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          by SAM on Aug 31, 2012 at 12:49 PM in reply to
          I was replying to you "Anonymous" and I did read your comment and I find that you have a problem with a constructive dialogue, you don't want a dialogue at all. All you want is everyone to listen to you and agree with everything you say. Save your good byes for someone that cares.
  • by Makes Sense on Aug 30, 2012 at 04:31 PM
    Sounds about right. Everyone knows the liberals do not think someone is a "human" until they think just like them. I am a caucasian 60 year old, college graduate, from a small rural town in a fly over state, male, who supports the Constitution, free enterprise, capitalism and limited government. The liberal abortionists think I should be ABORTED! How can a civilized population consider protecting those who cannot protect themselves? Unless of course they are going to register as Democrat!
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      by Makes Sense on Aug 30, 2012 at 06:18 PM in reply to Makes Sense
      CORRECTION! "How can a civilized population NOT consider protecting those who cannot protect themselves?"
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      by Scott on Aug 30, 2012 at 08:35 PM in reply to Makes Sense
      Apparently, what you think "everyone" knows is flat wrong. Liberals don't think that. They recognize everyone is free to have their own opinion, they just aren't as likely to insist that the government enforce their opinions on everyone else. And no "liberal abortionist" thinks you should be aborted. Educated, maybe, but not aborted. And I say that because you seem quite sure you know what other people think, something education cures.
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        by Makes Sense on Aug 30, 2012 at 09:16 PM in reply to Scott
        Educated by who - YOU? I think not. In a civilized society the best we can do is abort millions of unborn children? In a world of so many possibilities ending the life of an unborn child is the best we can do as a society? So much for "progressive" thinking. If your close minded idea of me being "educated" is me understanding why in 2012 people like you seem hell bent to protect an adult woman's right to abort a child then you are the person who needs and education. You can live in such a primitive thinking world but I choose to believe that there is a more civilized solution to unwanted pregnancy than beating the tired old drum of preserving a woman's "choice". There has to be a more mature civilized way to deal with a problem than committing infantcide. Come on put on that Mister Wizard hat of pompous superiority and think of a better way.
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          by Scott on Aug 30, 2012 at 09:58 PM in reply to Makes Sense
          And what is that more civilized solution? I happen to agree with you that abortion is awful. I don't think it should be used as birth control. I wish there was another way to solve the problem. But I'm not willing to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body because of that opinion. If two entities inhabit one body, then one by necessity has to take precedence over the other one. I choose the one who was there first. Its an ugly situation, and I don't think there is a "civilized" solution but I am not willing to dictate how someone else should live. You obviously are, and you think I'm the one who needs educating? Somehow I think you'd have a different opinion if it actually applied to you.
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          by Scott on Aug 31, 2012 at 05:34 AM in reply to Makes Sense
          By the way, I notice you completely ignored the fact that you were wrong about what "everyone" knows and thinks. But then, generalizing and demonizing those who disagree with you is always easier.The bottom line is that liberals and conservatives are both anti-abortion, but we use different means to effect that position. Liberals (in general) try to educate people so they choose not to have an abortion, while conservatives (in general) try to legislate morality and take the choice away. Guess what? Making it illegal won't stop it. It will still happen in back alleys and women will die. Educate them and get them to choose not to be in that situation and they won't have to make the choice at all. But taking away their choice won't change anything, except the mortality rate of women who choose it anyway.
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          by Makes Sense on Aug 31, 2012 at 05:59 AM in reply to Makes Sense
          So you just give up! Great idea! If you don't have any civilized answers why didn't you just say so. Your response is a tired old response and you even resorted to the old "stereotype" argument. Good job reducing a very primitive and uncivilized practice to such a simple, take no responsibility solution.
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          by BuckWheat on Aug 31, 2012 at 07:44 AM in reply to Makes Sense
          Scott - what everyone who thinks like you "I'm not willing to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body" seems to never place on equal footing is the life of the child itself. Do you not consider it a life?
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          by Where's yours? on Aug 31, 2012 at 11:18 AM in reply to Makes Sense
          Makes Sense - What's your more "civilized" solution to an unwanted pregnancy? Are you going to take care of those children that are a product of irresponsibility or rape? Are you going to increase your tax contribution to feed and house them? And by the way why don't you just go ahead and take away the right to vote for women while you're at it?
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          by Makes Sense on Aug 31, 2012 at 12:26 PM in reply to Makes Sense
          WOW "Where's yours?" you are an angry person. There are a number of other alternatives but I get the feeling you are not really interested in hearing them. If so let me know and I would be glad to have a constructive debate on this issue.
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          by Where's yours? on Aug 31, 2012 at 01:16 PM in reply to Makes Sense
          Asking for your solutions wasn't enough of a question to get an answer? I am not an angry person, but I am tired of the rhetoric of fix the problems without any suggestion of a solution. So once again, what solution do you offer, if you please?
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          by Scott on Aug 31, 2012 at 02:42 PM in reply to Makes Sense
          Makes Sense: Good job completely ignoring what I said. You obviously don't have anything but talking points. BuckWheat: Alive? Yes. Equal to the mother? No. It is a cluster of cells, completely dependent on the mother's body to survive. An embryo is not a unique life until a certain point in the pregnancy. Until that point, it is no more a life than the mother's heart or liver are by themselves. If it comes down to a choice between the mother or the embryo, I have to go with the mother. The problem is that if two entities share the same body, you cannot place them on equal footing. One must take precedence over the other.
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        by Makes Sense on Aug 31, 2012 at 05:21 PM in reply to Scott
        To Scott - If anyone can recognize a talking point it would YOU! And yes I have started to try and ignore anything you post!
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          by Scott on Aug 31, 2012 at 05:59 PM in reply to Makes Sense
          Of course I recognize talking points. There aren't that many and you guys repeat them over and over. Its also easy to tell when someone raises an argument that you don't have a talking point for. They start insulting you and claiming to ignore you.
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          by Makes Sense on Aug 31, 2012 at 06:30 PM in reply to Makes Sense
  • by Scott on Aug 30, 2012 at 04:10 PM
    It never fails to amaze me that the same people who are so against government intrusion into people's lives are generally the same people trying to use the government to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body.
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      by Anonymous on Aug 31, 2012 at 12:29 PM in reply to Scott
      Simpleton! It is sad that you think it is that simple. You are a lost cause.
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        by Please enlighten us on Aug 31, 2012 at 01:21 PM in reply to
        Anonymous - Please enlighten us with your thoughts as to why Scott is a Simpleton. Seems pretty simpleton to use name calling as a debate point.
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        by Scott on Aug 31, 2012 at 02:44 PM in reply to
        Just making an observation. You aren't doing anything to show that I'm wrong.
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          by Anonymous on Aug 31, 2012 at 05:18 PM in reply to Scott
          Why waste the time you are Mr. Wizard? And have ALL the answers.
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          by Scott on Aug 31, 2012 at 05:58 PM in reply to Scott
          Don't know about answers, but I do understand punctuation. Trust me, it helps more than you might imagine.
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      by Anonymous on Aug 31, 2012 at 03:51 PM in reply to Scott
      Good point
  • by puzzled on Aug 30, 2012 at 01:42 PM
    how come all of the anti abortion people haven't adopted all of the babies that are born unwanted. I will have a better chance at believing what they preach if I saw them adopting!
  • by SJ Location: GJ on Aug 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM
    Good, once again the church, congregation and bible are not allowed into my uterus. Good thing, there isn't enough room for them there!
  • by Anonymous on Aug 30, 2012 at 10:03 AM
    If you are against murder, don't kill anyone, otherwise the cops have better things to do. Sounds good "Sam", if I want to kill someone it's my business and the law shouldn't get involved. Works for me. (Consistency and logic were never a strong suit with you, were they?)
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      by SAM on Aug 30, 2012 at 10:48 AM in reply to
      I do not have a clue as to what you are referring to in your comment. If you have the opinion that an abortion is murder that is your opinion not mine. Abortions have been LEGAL for some time now.
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        by SJ on Aug 30, 2012 at 11:52 AM in reply to SAM
        Row VS Wade 1973 to be exact. Then again, those apposed to it should bear the burden to the tax payers for all the unwanted children or the extensive number of children born that are in the welfare system that we must pay for. Mean while, I struggle to make my house payment and welfare mom with 6 kids has a new car and iphone. Sounds fair to me.....
  • by SAM Location: Grand Junction on Aug 30, 2012 at 07:25 AM
    It is time for these people to stop trying to force their will on others. If you are against abortions, don't have one. No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion. The decision to have or not have an abortion should be made between a woman and her doctor, period.
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      by SJ on Aug 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM in reply to SAM
      Thank You, Sam. I"m tired of politicians and the chruch trying to tell me how to live my life. Maybe we need more law limiting the power of the church, better yet, maybe they should worry more about what's going on behind THEIR closed doors.
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